Same Sex Dates Rattles High School Prom
58So, here we go again in Jackson, Mississippi. Not racial discrimination but, what is it, gender or sex discrimination? And, of course the ACLU grabbed onto this case like cat loves tuna, threatening the school district was lawsuits for this discrimination and that discrimination. And all lesbian Constance McMillen wanted to do was go to the prom with HER girlfriend and pretend to be a guy by wearing a tuxedo. The school said no. The students said no. The school cancelled the prom, ruining it for all seniors.
Motives. Does anyone really believe that Constance simply wanted to go to the prom with her lover girlfirend and NOT try to make a statement about her sexual preference, NOT want to cause an issue, knowing full well, that most of the school shunned her or other gays? Like many gays infused with what their rights are, whether or not correct, they like to be "in your face" about this especially in public. Some gays are more discreet about this in public because they know many will not accept it and we all really need to live together because there are all types. To deny this is just being a stupid redneck.
I am sure Constance did it with intent to cause a controversy, despite how innocent she pretends to be. The ACLU naturally championed her cause and as a result, the school is not having the prom. The ACLU cited that the teenager's rights of freedom of expression (wearing a tuxedo) and policy of banning same sex prom dates, violated their rights.
If the ACLU wins, schools and school districts will lose much of their power to decide what is appropriate and what is not. It will not just stop with a tuxedo or same sex whatever that or that. It will empower teenagers, which are naturally rebellious, to challenge more school policies. The freedom of expression is a real can of worms. It would allow students to wear whatever they want. You can see how a student might wear a see through blouse, or a dude wearing gang regalia to incite other gangs and then scream, "hey, it is freedom of expression".
High school students are already exposed to the gay culture via everywhere, many could care less, others are greatly offended. Let the student's vote about what is right for their school when special events occur and some students want to push the envelope. They have to see each other everyday, not he ACLU.
Let the majority decide. Gays that push their agenda or lifestyle upon non-gay society are doing it with intent. Everyone does not have to accept that lifestyle. When my gay friends cross the line in what they do, and I am around, I tell them to cool it. We have an odd respect for one another. We both understand one another. Each knows the other's boundaries. That is how we are friends. If they were radical gays, it would quite a different story.
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Yep, well said..
You've hit the nail on the head! I think it's a shame for all the other seniors to loose out on their prom. I agree with what you've said completely. And I hope the school wins.
It will be interesting to see what the court does.
Do you not understand the meaning of the word discrimination?
If you want people to believe you when you say you are not against gays then remove the search tag "fag" from your hub.
It doesnt matter what this persons intent was, or are you saying that gay couples shouldnt be in public.
Just get used to it because thats the way things are now, the christ stains have lost.
Totally understand about discrimnation. However, there is freedom of speech and a name is just that.I am only anti-gay when they push their agenda in my face, at which time, I get in their face and tell them to back off. When they respect me, I respect them.
Perhaps you should clearly define what 'getting in your face with it' means. Of course Constance just wanted to go to prom with her girlfriend, and of course she knew that it would raise controversy. If Constance was allowed to attend prom with the person she loved like everyone else, and be seen in public like everyone else, just how is that getting in anyone's face.
It doesn't bear witness to anyone's approval of homosexual love, but it certainly says a lot about the narrow mindedness of a community that would rather cancel prom than see a same sex couple dance together.
Constance is a hero. Much like the first African American's who peacefully sat at the lunch counter in Mississippi and, I guess "got in people's face" about being black.
I respect the strong feelings that motivated the cancellation of prom, but how unfair to everyone who looked forward to that right of passage event. They should have had the prom and simple put a sign on the door "Straights Only". How dare she expect equal treatment in America.
I'm not even going to start on the whole "life-style choice" fiasco.
By "in your face", I mean, those gay members that are radical on purpose when around straight people. They think it is their right to push thier narrow agenda on the majority knowing full well there will be a reaction from someone. Many gays are not like that, they know, it will do nobody any good to act in public in such a way.
You never answered richard when he asked whether black people were "getting in peoples faces" "push thier narrow agenda on the majority knowing full well there will be a reaction from someone" by being "in such a way."
These are the exact same things said about black people, saying that gay people shouldnt be as expressive as straight people about their love in public is both saying that there is something wrong (there is nothing wrong with gays any more than black) and is discrimination.
All I can say is that, to think the majority of straight people will condone and accept gay activities with no issues is naive thinking, especially when radical gays give the mainstream gays a bad name. As to discrimination, well, in my community there is a housing development only for gays. It is like a little island of gays. A straight person is not allowed to purchase a home in this area. That IS disrimination. The door swings both ways.
It is really sad that prom was canceled for all those kids because it is a rite of passage. However, this young woman should have been allowed to attend with her girlfriend. What I don’t understand is why exactly the prom was canceled. Was it because she wanted to come with her girlfriend or because she wanted to dress in a tuxedo? I think it was because of the tuxedo (if I read the above hub correctly) and I think it is huge jump to say that if the school had let her wear the tuxedo the next thing we know girls would be wearing see-through dresses and others will be wearing ‘gang dress’. The see-through dress is directly inappropriate because of how and who is wearing it (a teenage girl) and the ‘gang dress’ is inappropriate because it would, assumedly, endanger the student body. Neither the tuxedo nor the girl are offensive by themselves nor is it offensive the way she would be wearing it (the way any male would wear it). The offensive part is the fact that it is a gay girl wearing it (remembering the actual clothing on any male would be fine) is what makes it decimation. She has a right to wear the tux and if a girl wearing a tux is radical to this community there is a whole world of radical things these kids will be exposed to if they leave.
Also, she probably did want to make a statement; after all she is a teenage who is gay in a community where apparently it is hard to express yourself as young gay women. Good for her in coming out in the first place and drawing more national attention to gay rights.
Good job on the above two comments. Well reasoned. I still want a definition from our host as to just what "radically gay" means. This will go along way to answer my original question, what does "in your face" mean. Is it giving hand jobs under the restaurant table or is it merely holding hands, cuddling at the theater,and lounging on a blanket together at the park. It is also important to note that it hasn't been that long ago that racially mixed straight couples were band from the prom. If allowing people to love and cherish another person is radical, then I guess I'm a radical 40 yr old minister.
The school and student body should vote on whether it is acceptable. If it is not, the gay's will just have to accept it. Nothing is ever 100% fair for straights or gays.Obviously, this issue is moot because the gays will never say the straight's are correct and vice versa. The two sides will never 100% agree on what is a norm.
I don't think so, since when is sexual orientation a right? Our constitional fathers did not intend the Bill of Rights to incorporate such. Sexual orientation is a choice for whatever reason.
The phrase tyranny of the majority, used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, is the scenario in which decisions made by a majority under that system would place that majority's interests so far above a dissenting individual's interest that the individual would be actively oppressed, just like the oppression by tyrants and despots.
Do you REALLY think that the majority should rule over minoritys?
Who would get to decide how much individualism is allowed, the majority? LOLLOL
American political theorist John C. Calhoun developed the theory of Concurrent majority to deal with the tyranny of the majority. It states that great decisions are not merely a matter of numerical majorities, but require agreement or acceptance by the major interests in society, each of which had the power to block federal laws that it feared would seriously infringe on their rights. That it, it is illegitimate for a temporary coalition that had a majority to gang up on and hurt a significant minority. The doctrine is one of limitations on democracy to prevent the tyranny.
It took me a little research but I have disproven your concept that straight majoritys can tell gay minoritys that they are not acceptable in society.
Let's turn the tables, let's say the majority was gay in all of its varieties, and a straight couple wanted to go to the prom. You cannot tell me with any sort of truth that gay people would not try to ridicule it or stop it. They are no different except sexual preference. Simply go the castro district in SF and as a straight, which are the minority there, feel oppressed to speak out. Simply try to buy a home in the all gay exclusive community in the northbay if you are straight, blatent discrimination and rules preventing it from happening. Thus, in any situation in nature, majority does prevail. The whole discussion is moot.
I am sure they would, does that make it right for us to do it? Lololol I have no doubt that if blacks had been in our place 200 years ago they would have enslaved us whites. That is no reason that we should now go out and do the same to them is it? Your reasoning of do unto them because they would unto us does not make sense. Rebuttal rejected.
Making sense has little to do with it, it is reality. Comparing blacks to gays is SO VERY different to most. But I am sure you will argue this as well. Let's agree to disagree. You live in your reality,as I do I. Nothing more to be said.
Some commentors like Antecessor resort to name calling when others do not share their own point of view. Not cool. Just as she has a right to express her indignation about my position, which many straights agree with, so do I and others. Instead of agreeing to disagree on how the high school should handle it and leave it at that, some more radical respondants continue to convolute the truth. Black discrimination is far different than gay or age discrimination. A white gay could be served anywhere, could enter the same restroom even in the 50s. One cannot say the same for blacks. But that is not the topic of this hub, as Antecessor wishes to make it. Some people cannot face the real truth, but only see the truth they wish to see.
I just read this article on msn.com - I agree with what you said in one of your comments that sexual orientation is a choice not a right. I thought this was a good hub and you made some valid points.
Well, thanks, I guess it always be a hot topic with very little ground. I thought Ellen Degenares wasted $30,000 by giving it to the gay teenager who wanted this. What is funny is that her ex-lover, Heche, also a movie star, went straight and married a man over a year ago. It sort of proves my point about being gay is a choice.
Gay is most certainly a choice and a behavior. The radical "Gay" agenda tries to make it a matter of discrimination...but it is not. THese are people making poor choices and displaying bad behavior. Society has always had the right and the obligation to put limits and borders on certain behavior to keep the sanity and the moral principles of an orderly society in tact.
I agree. BTW, the court did state that the school violated her rights BUT did not issue an order forcing the school to allow the prom to go on.
I'm glad now that there is a prom put on that all students can attend together, regardless if they are a gay couple or an interracial couple or whatever relationship they "choose." Because while we choose to be in a relationship, nobody chooses who they like or love.
It is stupid that just because someone asked if they could go to their prom with their significant other, that the schoolboard decided to ruin it for all students by cancelling it.
It's shouldn't be up to the student body nor school to pick and choose which of their students can enjoy the prom.
I guess I spoke to soon... what the parents really did is sickening.
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/04/05
Why would the parents collude to ruin prom for some students they don't like, including the learning disability students and lesbians? Why enforce discrimination and taunting and bullying by separating the children?
This is sickening behavior, parents should know better than this. What is wrong with them?
Moral decay in general whether straight or not, I guess...
Bigcountry12577 2 years ago
I'm new to this blogging but I did it to find out answers to the questions on my mind. How do we contend with people or organizations like the ACLU?
We have so many who lobby for new laws or try and change old laws. I believe Americans should be given the right to vote what they wan't for a law verses lawyers and such like them pushing new rules and laws down our throat and stop with all these friveless lawsuits.
Case in hand The girl in Mississippi, Let the kids in the school vote to see if they want the lesbian to be able to come with her lover first then let them vote if she or both of them can dress in drag. My personal opinon she should not be given the right to come if the majority of people don't agree with it.